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GO MaZ No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.08.15 09:11:00 - [1] Dueled a corpies faction zealot last night in my t2 setup deimos, only reason I won was because I used 5 x Med ECM Drones. Proves how overpowered ECM is when I get utterly owned when using T2 damage drones (and also reminded me how nice it is to have 50m^3 drone bay). Sure, I'd like to see the deimos get a nice boost to PG so I can actually make a proper fitting, but its not such a bad ship as it is and as long as you fly with a little intelligence you have more chance against other HACS than it would seem (make sure you land inside 10k and dont have to get its fat ass into range ). The whole problem comes from running plates and the fact the deimos cant - what good is 800dps for when you have 2200 armor, against say, a cerb with 9700 shield with 75+% resists doing 400dps? PG Boost? yes Agility Boost? would be nice, but I'd much rather get a proper fit with a med rep / med nos rather than fitting frig modules Speed Boost? Nah, I recon agility boost would be much more useful considering most of the time you land between 15 and 30k away - if you're mwding from like 50k you'll probably take too much damage and have to warp anyway Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.08.15 09:56:00 - [2] Originally by: Hellspawn01 It is possible to fit a 800mm plate on the deimos, standard mid slot layout, 5x Ions II, med nos and med repper as I stated earlier in this thread. You just need advanced weapon upgrades lvl5 and some other lvl5 skills to squeeze it in. Please show me where you get 364PG from with AWU 5? Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.08.15 10:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Drones. Nuff said. This is a deimos thread, not an ishtar thread Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.08.16 23:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Leam Didnt some dev reply just a few pages ago saying they'll look into it? It might only be a couple of pages ago but iirc that 1 line response from tux was posted on 2006.05.31 - 3 months and no further response. How about fixing the ships already in the game rather than working on ones for a new patch? Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.18 11:13:00 - [5] Originally by: supreme gunna be happy your diemos does 800 DPS, you shouldnt be able to be FAST, have a uber tank, and do 800 dps. nope no way, eve would be broken. Ahahahaa right Deimos does 800dps when you get inside like, 2km. How exactly is it going to do ANYTHING if its so damn slow it cant get into range? If you want the muninn boosted, make a thread about it and stop whining yourself. The deimos, is supposed to be THE BE ALL AND END ALL OF UP CLOSE HACS - i.e. if i get into 5k of my target, i want them to goddamn melt before they can touch me; not my fault my target let me get in range Honestly, its not like we're being unreasonable or anything - I personally just want to see the ship actually FULFIL the role its sposed to, which is up close and personal uber gankage - hey, at least the sacrilege can perform its (tank) role Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:31:00 - [6] Edited by: GO MaZ on 18/08/2006 13:31:48 Originally by: Kunming WTB deimos with 800 DPS!! even megathron with neutrons and 2 dmg mods cant get 800 DPS. A deimos with max ship, gunnery and drone skills can break 800dps with Ion II's, Void, 3 MFS II and 5 x Hammerhead II's - a Megathron with neutron II's, Void and good skills can break 1300dps with T2 drones (talking dps on structure here btw, 0% resists) It might be able to do 800dps, but thats not the point, its the fact that 800dps with no tank is useless when other HACS are doing 500+ with 7 or 8k shield. Ubergank setups work on the megathron because it has enough power grid to be plated and can therefore be passive tanked. This just doesnt work on the deimos which is limited by pg AND lowslots (half the time I end up fitting 3 x MFS II just to get the damage I want, leaving 2 slots for tank choice (assuming a rep)). Vagabond, Max Skills, 220mm Vulcan II's, hail, no dmg mods + 5 x Hob II = 420dps Deimos, Max Skills, Heavy Ion II's, void, no dmg mods + 5 Hammerhead II = 545dps An extra 125dps, but deimos can maybe top 1400m/s with a plate and DECENT skills whereas a vaga will break 2.5k/s half the time, turns faster, aligns faster, has more range, AND can pull off a helluva passive tank with large extender II's. I dont want a vaga killer though, I want a ship where if that vaga gets within 5k by being stupid, I'll blow his goddamn socks off. An extra 125dps is really useful when the vaga has what, 7k+ shields and im stuck with 4200 odd armor with ions Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.18 15:45:00 - [7] Edited by: GO MaZ on 18/08/2006 15:46:39 Originally by: SmokeMeAKipper best not to use hail in a vaga's damage calc as it would reduce the speed of a vaga to <200m/s (<1000m/s with mwd) - it is unusable on a vaga, barrage is what is used I know this, simply comparing the two highest damage ammos - wouldnt do any good comparing void and barrage cos barrage isnt the short range ammo Just for you: Vagabond, 220mm Vulcan II (no dmg mods), 5 x Hobgob II, Barrage: 335dps Deimos, Heavy Ion II (no dmg mods), 5 x Hammerhead II, Null: 441dps So still, a 100dps difference, but it doesnt change much; the vaga can still fit an obscene tank compared to the deimos while still putting out respectable damage. Now a heavy pulse II zealot with scorch does 220dps with an optimal of 33k, over double the effective range of the deimos and about half the damage, but it doesnt have to fit a MWD and can easily fit a medium nos therefore having a boatload more cap to tank with Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.18 17:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Pesadel0 Now try that with 720 howitzers ,vagabond-+220 ; munnin-+720 howitzers . Try fitting 250mm Railgun II's on a deimos, same problem Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Pesadel0 The discussion for amarr is still going and you even got a dev response how about that for recognition.. A one line post saying "i'll look into it" and then nothing for 3+ months is hardly a dev response. Originally by: supreme gunna My point is there are other hacs in more need than the diemos, like the muninn sacrilage CERBERUS, but you dont see them whining like you lot do. Ahaha, now I know you're talking **** - start a cerb thread and see how many people want it boosted Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:59:00 - [10] Originally by: supreme gunna so you agree with the rest of what i said then, good boy. your learning I dont fly the muninn, sac, cerb, ishtar, zealot or vaga, I fly the deimos. Hence why I am posting in a thread about the deimos. I am not whining, I STILL fly the Deimos as it is and I have fun doing it, but I want the ship to live up to its description. Y'know what, I dont give a ****, if you think other ships need boosting make a damn thread and stop trolling this thread because of "gallente whiners" Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.

GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:54:00 - [11] Originally by: supreme gunna but dont you think a 30 page is excessive for this little whining matter? 28 pages, and it looks like you've done the most whining in this entire thread Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:56:00 - [12] Originally by: supreme gunna np about the bumping Cheers, hopefully the longer this stays at the top the more people will realise that its something that needs doing Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.18 22:02:00 - [13] Originally by: CherniyVolk "Deimos" is Greek, and loosely means "terror" or "panic". Since no other HAC pilot panics landing near a Deimos, nor are they terrorized... Perhaps we can request Tuxford rename the ship to "Fiasco"? Probably alot less controversial and effortless than actually fixing the ship. Ysee, this is whats up. I want people to be SCARED of my deimos when i zerg up to 2k from them, but I generally recieve a "lol, up yours" in local as my target either ganks me or warps off before i get in range Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.11 23:35:00 - [14] Originally by: CherniyVolk A descendant of Erebus, we expect ferocity Any pilot in a Deimos, a dormant atrocity. With second rate weaponry, we dive into the void Becuase we can barely move, we become the void. We fit our ships, with hope our only stride Soon over Teamspeak with humbled voice, 'I died'. With negligable margins, we have more DPS With practical reality, our guns are beset Heavy Neutron IIs would be appreciated flattery The Deimos' Right, to commit Assault and Battery For all we desire, this is our loudest plea If within range, a pilot ought to flee. We demand a perimeter, were one may point and laugh But one step within, then feel our unforgiving wrath! Ahaha awesome, if this doesnt convince tux to fix it, nothing will. Good job dude Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Magniacapra I hear there boosting the speed and agility of battlecruisers... Maybe they'll do something about the agility and weight of the deimos when they realise that battlecruisers move around faster than it Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.23 16:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Bazman Has anyone seen tuxypoo lately? This thread has scared him off He probably boosted the PG and agility / speed a couple of weeks ago and has just been playing with the damn thing ever since, I know I would Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.11 14:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Miklas Laces Edited by: Miklas Laces on 11/10/2006 14:40:38 omg it's happening Quote: # Powergrid of Sacrilege, Deimos and Muninn increased to 1100MW, 950MW and 1100MW respectively # CPU of Sacrilege and Deimos increased to 350tf for both ships Linkage If tux doesn't implement this at downtime tomorrow I'm going to cry Yes, I'm an impatient bastard Cheers tux Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.11 14:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Miklas Laces Originally by: GO MaZ If tux doesn't implement this at downtime tomorrow I'm going to cry Kali 1 Proceeding to cry Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.23 02:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Space Samuri Originally by: Xpar To keep in line with the Tuxford's philosophy of the new Tier 3 Gallente BS, Hyperion, that is to lower the mass of blasterboats, I kind of feel Deimos should get a mass reduction as well. FFS you got your little grid upgrade, now something else? It will never end.. The proposed plate boost makes the deimos just as useless as it is now
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.12 18:46:00 - [20] The problem with the deimos on the test server now (apart from speed / agility) is it cant fit an injector without dropping a web or scram, which is bull** to be quite honest (web drones aren't a solution - losing 150 dps on a ship MADE for gank = NO). Due to the HP boost, it no longer does enough dps to overwhelm ships before it runs out of cap - I'm talking about just about any T1 BC or HAC here. This HP boost means that Nos and injectors are now MORE important in combat (nos rokh anyone?), 2 things that the deimos simply cannot use. My god** electron II brutix pees all over my deimos on sisi, simply because it can fit a cap booster. And the whole fact it has 4000HP with most of a high-grade slave set (minus the omega) while other hacs have 10k+ without any implants at all, well thats just icing on the OMFGDEIMOSBLOWS cake

GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:56:00 - [21] Originally by: Gariuys Grid increase doesn't do much, the old setup we wanted doesn't fit without fitting mods even with the grid increase. And with the other changes, no plate means you're fecked. Only thing the grid increase does is if you keep the RCU fitted, you can fit a damage rig. Speaking of rigs... the brutix will fit a dual rep, injected electron II setup with TWO damage rigs, no grid upgrades, just for comparison. Now I know the brutix is a higher class, but even without the assault resists it tanks pretty similarly and has, iirc, over double the armor of the deimos to start with. With 2 damage rigs it also does very similar, if not more damage than the deimos. Go figure.
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Asmodeos Good resists, good damage and cap booster when in cap trouble. This should do okayish i guess :) How do you expect to keep people held down without a web? Especially with the shortest range blasters...
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.14 11:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Kaeten longest thread ever? Only beaten by a thread whining about an entire **** race of ships. Oh well, I'm selling my 2 deimoses off before kali... anyone WTB?
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:16:00 - [24] Originally by: slothe can we have someone in ccp comment on the deimos please? The comment was back on page 20-something "I'm looking into it.". Looking back now, I'm assuming what he would've said had he elaborated is "I'm looking into giving you guys a small PG and CPU boost, so you can fit your ships slightly better, and then what I'm going to do is boost all the other ships that can fit plates / extenders, nerf blasters and make all the modules that a deimos CAN'T fit totally mandatory in PVP. I do this because I lost my PVP virginity to a deimos pilot."

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